Mahmudur Rahman
6 September, 2008. Dhaka.

Mahmudur Rahman is the former Chairman of Bangladesh Government's Board of Investment and formerly the Adviser of Fuel to the cabinet.

Cheney met with U.S. Embassy officials and international oil executives before going to Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliev's residence on the Caspian Sea.~A.P.

"We both seek greater stability and security and cooperation in this vital region of the world," ~ Cheney

The U.S. and Azerbaijan have many interests in common.`~Cheney

Dick Cheney accused Russia Thursday of an "illegitimate" invasion~A.F.P.

Mr Cheney said energy security was an "increasingly urgent" issue`~Isabel Gorst

Before he gets us in WWIII pull the can already!!! And pray for rain!!!

Here is another reason!

Scares me!!

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Dear Mr. Carrol,

I am responding to your article slandering the legitimate questions posed by numerous scientists, engineers, pilots, even international (often Republican) politicians regarding the flaws in the "official account" of 9/11.

"Let us dip our toe again into" a couple of the bogus rebuffs posed by the "experts" at Popular Mechanics.

Pop Mech- "As the fires blazed and the temperatures rose within the buildings, NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) believes, the remaining core columns (those not severed by the planes during impact) softened and buckled, transferring most of the load to the building's outer structural columns. The floors . . . began to sag from the heat, pulling those columns inward and adding to the burden on the outer columns."

Debunking: For anyone who as actually watched the WTC video's carefully, you will note that the south tower was struck near the corner, almost insuring it sustained NO damage to the central core columns.

It also had by far the largest fireball produced, indicating a substantially larger portion of the fuel was burned in the initial impact and for the most part outside the building. Oddly, it was the south tower which fell first after burning for only 55 minutes, and at a point when the fires had greatly diminished.

In addition, as given by Kevin Ryan who was responsible for the thermal testing of the WTC Steel when it was certified, the samples tested for the WTC were certified to withstand a temperature of 2,000 deg for 6 hours without failing their rated load characteristics. And that is without insulation.

The WTC beams were insulated. Jet fuel burns at only 1200-1300 degrees with an ideal oxygen mixture, something not indicated by the black smoke that issued from the fires.

There was nothing contained within the buildings that could have raised this figure, and those that use the example of ancient furnaces that tempered steel as a argument, again, do not understand the principles involved.

I suggest that if you want the truth, and wish to actually act like a journalist for a change, you broach this subject with a real expert, Mr. Ryan. I can put you in touch with him upon request.

But more important than the issue of the likelihood of the steel failure, is the FACT (not conjecture) that ALL THREE buildings collapsed into their own footprint at FREEFALL SPEED (i.e. the unimpeded acceleration of gravity).

That means, drop a rock off the roof, at the moment of collapse, and the roof would hit the ground at the same time as the rock. This implies, (regardless of what happened at the fire zone) that the when the top section of the building began to fall it managed to plow through 70-80 odd floors of pristine and undamaged steel -- literally thousands of huge beams and concrete pads-- with absolutely NO RESISTANCE (i.e.. slowing of the rate of fall) WHATSOEVER.

And this sir, is physically impossible and verging on the absurd, and I (a physicist), and anyone with a shred of knowledge of engineering, physics, or just plain common sense can understand that.

And there is a $1,000,000.00 cash challenge (to date unanswered) to anyone that can suggest a legitimate solution to this nagging little problem.

And lastly, if the official pancake theory is correct, it lends no explanation whatsoever for why the central core of 47 HUGE beams, all connected together at numerous levels, would not be left standing like a spire as the floor connectors failed and the floors pancaked symmetrically around them.

The less resistance to this collapse scenario exhibited by the building's design, the more likely the central core would remain virtually untouched. It is a paradox.

Watch the videos. Study the evidence.

Talk to the experts and the scientists who simply can no longer tolerate an explanation so at odds with the physical evidence and the physical principles of the universe.

And these experts I refer to are ready and willing to debate these issues with ANYONE you and your ilk choose, ANYTIME and ANYWHERE, as long as it can be videotaped for posterity.

I will not even get into the dozens of other patently absurd explanations that Popular Mechanics and other government shills and publicity hacks have posed to make the painfully obvious physical evidence at both the WTC and Pentagon fit the official fairy tale, while suppressing the numerous eyewitness accounts that disagree, but suffice to say that when "journalists" (and I use that term EXTREMELY loosely with you), continue to disparage those who simply demand the truth, and not propaganda; who examine the evidence with open minds and simply request that the investigation of this murder of 3,000 innocents be pursued with the same objectivity and forensic vigor that a common mugging would be given; they only contribute to the ignorance pervasive and growing in this country, reduce the once noble journalistic trade to nothing more than corporate propaganda machines, and deface the sacrifice of the 3000 who were murdered.

As for your contemptuous tone of which I have tried to mimic in this reply, to quote Shakespeare, "Me thinks thou dost protest too much."

Sincerely,

Eric Harrington

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The Paintings of Adam Stennett

Every once in a while, fortunately not too often, something major goes wrong in my life. And given I am only human, I often take pity on myself at the time and ask the inevitable question, "why me?" I mean, after all, I am a good person. While I have been tempted, I have never murdered any one. I pay my taxes. Once, I got up from my seat on a crowded bus so an old woman could sit. Admittedly, her seeing-eye dog was staring at me in disgust for 10 minutes before I gave it up, but I did it. So I think you would agree, I am indeed a very good person.

I digress. The point is I have discovered a pattern that when major trouble befalls me, it seems to be an invitation for more bad things to happen. The "when it rains, it pours" syndrome. It is almost as though "Bad Thing #1" walks into an auditorium full of other "Bad Things" in waiting and announces "OK, I'm done. I've softened him up. He's in the pity stage. If you act now, you can take him." Bad Thing #'s 2, 3, 4, and so on form a neat line toward the exit, and head in my direction. I think it is true what you often hear about bad things, like famous people dying, coming in three's. I don't know why this rule stops at the number three, as my experience is they keep coming until they reach double digits, but this phenomena may be peculiar to me.

When they arrive on my doorstep, these bad things morph themselves into life's everyday problems, annoyances, and aggravations. My zipper gets stuck in my shirt when I'm in the restroom at work before an important meeting and won't pull back up. I am running late to catch a flight, dash to the car, and find the gas needle hopelessly below "E." I get to the podium to make a speech and find I am staring down at my wife's pap smear test results instead. This past summer, when these things started to occur one right after the other, I had a revelation. I came to the conclusion that that there must be specially appointed people in my life -- people I often do not know or will meet only once -- assigned to my "account" to ensure these problems happen. These highly trained experts actually belong to a secret club of conspirators who meet weekly at randomly selected locations like the Y or in a church basement to plan and orchestrate the events that make my life miserable, particularly when I am at my most vulnerable.

Paranoia? Read on.

Last week, I was standing in line at the bakery behind a woman. Unfortunately, I was in a real hurry. I had ten minutes before I was supposed to be at my four-year-old son's surprise birthday party, and our home was 20 minutes away. The woman took a full 12 minutes to buy two scones. Between changing her mind five times on the kind of pastry she wanted, arguing with the manager over why the bakery did not take American Express, and counting out $3.97 cents in dimes, nickels and pennies pulled slowly and meticulously from her change purse, I was ready to blow a gasket. Then something odd happened. Even though I had held my temper in check, she gave me an unusually nervous look as she walked out the door and headed to her car. I had such a suspicious feeling about it that something told me I just had to follow her, surprise party or not.

I tailed her for eight miles all the way to an office park where she pulled into what appeared to be an abandoned warehouse. I quietly snuck in behind her, down three flights of stairs to the basement, and peaked through the crack in the door she had entered. And there they were. A room full of about fifty people sitting classroom style and in rapt attention of the speaker.

"Mildred, you're late," the instructor said.

"I'm sorry," the woman I tailed from the bakery murmured. "He had only five minutes to make it home on time, and I stalled him at the bakery for over fifteen."

"Are you absolutely sure he was late enough for his wife to be furious at him and for the child to be left in tears?," the instructor asked.

"Oh, yes. The guy just sat there while I fished around for change over and over to make sure" she beamed. "I even used the American Express trick. Believe me, he's screwed when he gets home."

Light applause from the audience.

"Good then!" the instructor crowed. "Now let's talk about next week's schedule. Jack, what have you got planned?"

An older gentlemen with a kindly face stood up and literally saluted.

"Well, sir," Jack said, "On Tuesday morning, I am going to position myself about three miles ahead of him on the I-5 North and rear end someone in the center lane badly enough that the traffic jam will extend for five miles, minimum."

"Excellent," the instructor was glowing. "What will be the extent of the damages?"

"To the car I hit? Minimal," Jack said. "But our subject will be five exits back and is going to miss his flight to Atlanta for sure. This is going to cause at least an hour delay."

"Excuse me," a man neatly dressed in what looked to be an airline pilot's uniform rose up to speak. "If there is any problem with Jack's plan, we have a back up in place. We are preparing the usual mechanical problem for his plane that will cancel his flight for sure."

A construction worker rose and chimed in.

"And if he tries to divert from the back up on I-5 and goes for Mission Blvd to get around the wreck like he did last time, we have that covered on our end," he said. "We will close it down to one lane and hold him up as long as we can."

"Great," the instructor said. " I think we have Tuesday covered. "What else is on the menu for next week?"

"I called that swanky restaurant where he made reservations for Friday night and had them canceled," a young woman chimed in. "He has important guests coming in from out of town that evening for dinner. It's going to be very embarassing."

"Mam, you are new here. Who are you?," the instructor asked.

I thought I recognized this attractive woman from somewhere.

"I work for the subject in his accounting department. I just started last week," she said. "I am coming down with the flu, so as soon as I arrive at work on Monday I plan to introduce myself to him in the cafeteria, shake his hand, and pass on as many germs as I can. I'll sneeze on him if I have to. He should be sick by the weekend."

Sustained applause.

"And the rest of you?" the instructor asked?

"I am going to cut in line in front of him at the movie theater on Saturday," one said. "He despises that, and it will piss him off for the entire movie."

"I am going to complain about his son at school for no good reason," another said.

"I am an ex-lover from college. I am going to call his wife at home at 11:30 p.m. to ask where he is." She must have put on 50 pounds.

"I am his new next door neighbor. I am going to have our gardener cut down his rose bushes by mistake."

"I am his house keeper. Unless there is an objection, I will hide his car keys for the third time this month."

"Excellent, excellent, all of you," the instructor said. "When we get together next week, I am going to ask who wants to be on his vacation planning committee. Until then, report in, and keep up the good work."

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But I'm currently at 666 hits for the week AND month at the same time...

HAIL SATAN....  Sorry, bout that for those of you out there who feel that a number is somehow connected with a 'Dark Lord'....  I'm not making fun of you I'm just making fun of numerology and symbolism....

Oh wait...  Never mind, I'm at 673 now....

Which brings to mind a couple 'oldies but goodies' now...

What is Satan's favorite sexual position???....   669...

SO what is 671???....  It's Satan's favorite sexual position but with 2 fingers up your ass...

Well I said they were OLD....

The Closer is an American police drama starring Kyra Sedgwick, who plays a Deputy Chief of Police at the LAPD. Sedgwick plays Brenda Leigh Johnson, an ex-CIA interrogator. She is a southern belle and her easy going charm has surprised more than one criminal during an interrogation. She always gets the bad guys. She was put in charge of the Priority Homicide division of the LAPD.

She’s had to deal with conflict from Commander Taylor, chief of detectives, since she was promoted over him from the outside to her current position. Her team are seasoned veterans, some close to retiring like Lt Provenza, others like Sgt Gabriel just a few years into their police careers.

Her personal life wasn’t always as stable as it is right now. She’s currently engaged to an FBI Agent named Fritz Howard, who helps her from time to time on some cases. They’ve just sold Brenda’s bungalow and moved into a temporary space as they search for a new house to buy.

Brenda is a severe workaholic, to the sacrifice of her personal relationships. She tends to micro-manage her investigations and take a close look at details. She loves junk food and sweets but is currently trying to lay off them. She usually hides all types of junk food in drawers, purses, and other places. She is also known to be a “bit of a slob”, commenting that she does not often get around to housework every day in one episode, and in another, during a small argument between her and Fritz over where her mail was, Fritz comments that “if she looked at her mail daily instead of once a week, she would know where they keep it”.

From wiki’s page.

The Closer is one of the best police dramas on television right now and is in its fourth season on TNT. Each summer sees 13 episodes. A feature length episode is shown over the holidays.

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When someone related to the squad is killed, things get very emotional for a detective from Priority Homicide, who tries to find the killer. Chief Johnson has the full support of the FBI and the department and finds the culprit.

The murder was a total waste, but the chief is able to get a confession, thanks to her skills. Another great episode from this drama. I like how this show continues with their theme of corruption and power.

Warning: Spoilers ahead.

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Sanchez is working on a hog. He hears five rapid gunshots and runs toward the scene. He sees Oscar, his brother, who has been shot. Yelena is the girl who was with his brother. The paramedics are leery of the neighborhood and only jump into action when they see Sanchez' badge. He has his shirt off to staunch the bloodflow from his brother's wounds. He had a gun. It looked bad. At least, he had his badge with him. Sanchez gives a few orders to the uniforms arriving on the scene, and goes with his brother.

Oscar didn't make it and the squad is there at the hospital. Pope tells Johnson that there is no budget restriction on this case. He wants the killers found. Julio looks shell-shocked. He wants the chief to take his statement immediately. He gives her Oscar's, which is drenched in Oscar's blood. The chief tells him that he needs to take some time off and that they will pursue the case relentlessly. Provenza and Flynn remain with Sanchez.

Yelena says that she had been dating Oscar for 3 weeks. She says that a black guy in a blue car shot Oscar. Sanchez arrives at the station. He tries to get involved in the investigation. The chief tells him that he needs to distance himself from the case. Before he leaves, he tells the chief that Yelena lied to her.

Tao is losing patience. The interviews with the gang members aren't turning out any evidence. The bullet casings aren't in the system. Ricardo Ramos arrives at the station. Things get touchy and the chief hands of Ricky to Commander Taylor.

A witness named Miguel steps forth. It has been four days since they have been investigating the case without any leads. Miguel is sporting a bruise. She thinks that Sanchez hit him a few times. Miguel says that Yelena was lying. Yelena broke up with a Puppet, a member of some gang.

Puppet is part of the East Side 13. He was pulled up at a traffic light a few weeks ago with Yelena. Provenza gets into the tub. He takes out his gun. They tells them that Puppet moved. They tell him that they already told this to the other cop. At Puppet's house, they find Sanchez' bike. They hear a commotion from the inside. Sanchez was intimidating Puppet.

Johnson doesn't like the way that he is going about things. Someone at the squad tipped him on how to find Puppet. She tells him to go home and stay home. She takes his phone for his photo of Yelena. She uses his cellphone to find out who tipped him off. It's LT Tao.

She questions Puppet. She doesn't get far. Agent Mara arrives at the station, thanks to Fritzi. He's been undercover for two years. He's found the gun. The seller wasn't Puppet. Mara recognizes Juan Guzman as the seller. They found a box of .40 caliber gun casings in Guz' sock drawer. The gun that Mara brought in is the murder weapon. Guz' mother drives a blue Impala. Tao tells Johnson that he was only trying to help Sanchez. Johnson replies that she was trying to stop Sanchez from doing irreparable damage to his career. She tells him that he must be aware that Sanchez has a fiery temper. Tao is sorry. Johnson tells him to get Sanchez to sit in during the interrogation. Yelena is brought in to identify the killer. It turns out that Guz' brother killed Oscar. He tried to run away, but Sanchez caught him.

The chief tries to trick Tony by implying that Juan confessed. He tells her that his brother and him were cruising, looking for rival gang members. They didn't find any, so they decided to pick someone with a smoking hot chick. Tony tried to get the hat from Oscar to find out where he was from. The rival gang puts their signs underneath the rims of their hats. He wouldn't do so, so Tony shot him. She tells him that his brother will be as guilty as he is, because he helped him hunt for a target.

Sanchez says that Oscar died because he was wearing the hat that Sanchez gave him. Sanchez breaks down and sobs hysterically. The chief hears his grief.

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This exploit is a group called Public Allies which Barack founded in 1992.  He resigned a year later when Michelle Obama became the Executive Director of the Chicago Chapter.  This group is also referred to as "Universal Voluntary Public Service".  How many times can Obama use the term "universal"?  The above article states, "Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas.  They plan to herd American youth into government-funded re-education camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of social change."  The article continues quoting from a document that Public Allies had with its tax filings, "'Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to...engage in protest activities'."  Investor's Business Daily also points out that Clinton's AmeriCorps funds about half of Public Allies expenses.  Also keep in mind that little promise Obama made in his acceptance speech that any youth that volunteered for public service would get their college education at an affordable rate.  Perhaps because Public Allies gives them money for college and - GET THIS - pays them to protest!  How is that volunteer work?

When it comes to this activism that the Obama's engage in, one has to go way back to a time when a 23 year old Barack Obama was hired by a group of Saul Alinsky devotees to organize black residents on Chicago's South Side.  That would be that "community organizer" part of his resume.  I hear lots of people asking what that term means, so now you know.  So who is Saul Alinsky?  Well, he is considered the father ofcommunity organizing.  Hillary Clinton was a big fan of his as well.  Alinsky wrote a book called Rules For Radicals.  The name is stunning enough, but even more stunning is when one reads who the book is dedicated to.  It seems Alinsky greatly admires the first radical protestor to rise up against the system and wanted to dedicate this book to him - Lucifer.  Here is an excerpt from this book:

"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families - more than seventy million people - whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default.."

I highlighted those words in blue because this is the tactic that all the liberals use on a regular basis.  I call them "sob stories".  Everytime Obama says something that would be considered heartwarming he contradicts it by pointing out how horrible conditions are here in America as he did in Terre Haute, Indiana today.  He wants people to feel downtrodden for just this reason.  Now it is fearsome enough to think that Alinsky is a mentor to Barack, but did you know that Michelle Obama quoted this man during her DNC speech?  Gateway Pundit gets credit for pointing this one out.  Alinsky's book says, "The standards of judgement must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished for fantasy of the world as it should be."  Michelle said in her speech, "And Barack stood up that day and he spoke words that have stayed with me ever since.  He talked about 'the world as it is' and 'the world as it should be'".  And she said later, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do; that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."

This is so much more than just an election anymore.  This really is a fight for our country.  It's more than just finger pointing at liberals.  There is an underground movement that wants to change America forever.  Yes, I am a bit of a conspiracy buff, but this doesn't really seem to be a conspiracy anymore.  It is out in the open if you pay attention.  Our children are being indoctrinated in public schools and liberals fight against any school choice.  Forget about abortion, infanticide is ignored in this country.  God is taken out of the public square.  Human caused climate change is pushed around the world as though it were fact - everybody wants to be green because it is cool.  People become sheep and ignore the fact that Al Gore makes money off of carbon credits while he flies in his private jets.  They listen as Sarah Palin's mothering aptitude is challenged because her daughter is a teen pregnancy and the media tells us she is unfit for command because her husband got a DUI at the same time in history as Obama was snorting cocaine.

This Public Allies is just one of several groups we can expect to see crop up if Obama becomes president.  I would expect to see some kind of marxist Army for adults as well.  You know, we all need to be good little citizens.

Case Study,
Anti Corruption
Commission

Mahmudur Rahman

   V   

• In Biden's and Palin's names the vowels & consonants fall in exactly the same place, in the order of c, v, c, v, c.

• Joe Biden was named after his father, Joe Sr.
• Sarah Palin was named after her mother, Sarah [Sr.]

• Both presumptive VPs' names are often mispronounced as the softer sound of their names as in "forBIDDEN" or "PALINdrome" where as it should be pronounced as "BYE-den" and "PAY- len."

• Biden and Palin were both handpicked as running mates in a conscious effort to increase votes among Baby Boomers, and women, respectively.

• Biden, a supposed pro-choicer, voted against abortion in 1982.
• Palin, a supposed pro-lifer, went and had an abortion in 1982.

• Biden was married at the ripe age of 24 and had a son 123 weeks later.
• Palin was married/eloped at the age of 24 and had her son 29 weeks later... hmm...

• Biden's first born son was deployed to Iraq in September 2008, contrary to his father's party's wishes.
• Palin's first born son was deployed to Iraq in September 2008, right in line with his mother's party's history of failed wishes.

• Biden had a secretary named Ford that drove a Mercury.
• Palin hunted a Caribou named Mercury that was shot from her Ford F-150.

• Biden was elected to Congress in 1973.
• Palin was... well, never elected to Congress or any other national office for that matter.

• Biden has 4 decades of experience.
• Palin has 4 days of experience.

• Both presumptive VPs have two eyes, two ears, and ten toes.

• Both VP candidates are critically important in this election. Never before has the heartbeat of a President been under so much discussion. On one hand you have the threat of a debilitating health condition coupled with old age and on the other hand, you have the threat of assassination because of the color of someone's skin.

8) CHESHTER!  - It's just a tiny rant. But there is a message from our old friend Chester Spangleton at the bottom. Whatever happened to that guy?

7) Flying Pig - More Evidence - It's a pig, and it's got wings. Is this evidence of a global porcine conspiracy? Or is it just dangling from a wire? You decide.

6) Goot in the Ukraine? - Another piece investigating the infamous "Goot The Crow". Is he connected to footballer Andriy Voronin? Or is it just nonsense?

5) Jimmy Cricket - A wonderful video clip of the legendary comedian appearing in Warrington.

4) Sherby57 Special Achievement Award - Jarvis Cocker is justly praised for his disruption of the heinous "Earth Song".

3) Fireheart! Part 4- Another thrilling chapter in the life of Johnny Fireheart. We meet the new character, Big Poppa Luigi. I'll be honest, it's goes off on something of a tangent.

2) A Typical Sherby57 Weekend - Will the paparazzi never leave me alone?? 

1) Thumping Hearts - An Exclusive Extract - Perhaps the most erotic bit of fiction in the English language. You need to read the whole novel; that's if you think you can handle constant orgasm. Eve St. Prince is a genius.

See you next month for another installment of nobody's favoutire feature - Post From The Past!

Disclaimer - This is an extremely self-indulgent feature and is a cynical attempt to recycle stuff that I have written in the past in the vain hope that someone will actually read them. Please feel free to slag off “Post From The Past” to your heart’s content.

Fact 6 is total bull. Metals under load (and the columns at the hit floors where holding the weight of all the floors above, moreover after a few columns were severed by the impact with the plane) buckle and collapse way before they melt. You already get a loss of strength at 20% of the melting temperature, let alone at 50-60% or more that was reached into the floors where tons of kerosene were burning.

See the graphs (for other metals, like aluminum, but steel is similar) at:

As far as molten steel, it probably was molten METAL, for instance from all the aluminum objects and furniture present in the burning floors.

The rest of your facts is bull as well, but this is the easiest to prove scientifically. As far a cellphones are concerned, you simply forget that teh planes left the normal navigation airways to get lower in order to evade radar tracking and, of course, how can you forget, to hit their targets which were just a few hundreds feet above the ground.

G-d dammit, ‘Pete'! Why do you cheat?
‘Oh!' I said. ‘Be nice' he said.
I'm working hard - his pyramid card.
Reptoids everywhere! Level and square!
Bad associations: freedom foundations.

Libya, Samoa, Iran, Iraq;
Paying off the lawyers' back;
Scotland and England, New Zealand, too;
Dispositions rising and BK sue.
China, Hawaii, Japan, The Hague;
Nothing like deceitful, lying vague.
Indonesia, Bahrain and Mali, too;
Dagon it, ‘Pete'! Your Nigerian crew!

The list goes on... Nobody will hear.
Gun toting citizens to secession's cheer!
Alas, the pawns smell like sewer rats.
Selling their lands with earmark fats!

Author's note: I cannot seem to rhyme well nowadays. But there is more truth out there than the players are willing to disclose to the scrutiny of the public and by the well-paid, spin doctors of the media.

Copyright © 2008 by Fluffy von der Flynn. All rights reserved.

In their dealings with humans,the beings disguised as aliens have offered several convincing rationalizations as to why the upper echelons of government should befriend the extraterrestrials. They claim to be a physically weakened race who merely need to join their DNA with more integral human DNA to survive, that they are refugees from a dying planet who need the help of sympathetic earthlings. 

 Currently, the group of beings referred to as "aliens" are portraying themselves as disparate elements of the paranormal. Aliens, walk-ins, ascended masters, the hidden hierarchy, spirit guides, channelled beings and natural forces like Gaia, are all imparting a similar message of impending disaster anda need for all of humanity to unite. The "aliens" claim to be preparing the earth for a massive evolutionary shift of consciousness, a paradigmshift, while also continuing the education that they maintain is crucial if the human race is to be spared destruction. The nonhuman intelligences are feigning good intentions by warning humans of their potential fate,and the offer to assist humans is all but altruistic in that it is designed to unite mankind under a global authority, with their candidate on the Throne of the World.

The beings disguised as "aliens" have a plausible explanation as to why, against the odds, they evolved to look humanoid, why they would take such an interest in helping humankind, and why the government should support their plan to live in underground military bases for now, conducting secret experiments and gradually getting the public used to the idea of aliens, so as not to cause mass panic and hysterical backlash.

Non-human intelligences pretending to be "aliens" claim to be the ancient progenitors of the human race. This is the End Time Delusion, which would deceive even the elect, and will lead to the setting up of antichrist on the world throne. 

 2 Thes 2:9 

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ...

Matthew 24:24 

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The beings pretending to be aliens have had thousands, even millions of years to implement their deception. Ingeniously, these nonhumans have used that time to insinuate,into every culture, references to an elder race who have long been guiding humans (Nephilim Genesis 6, Annunaki, White Brotherhood etc). The beings pretending to be aliens have explained that the experimental humans they engineered into existence so long ago had never before emotionally matured,nor had they spiritually evolved to a sufficient level for contact withthe "creators". It was necessary, the extraterrestrials maintain, to educate humans through various techniques that have been given to the spiritual leaders of human history [shamans, prophets & the mystery school]. Humans needed to develop a greater capacity for spiritual understanding before they could receive total enlightenment, and even now few are worthy.

The spiritual development of mankind has been guided by nonhuman intelligences whose agenda has been to infiltrate, and even instigate, religious traditions in all cultures-- and these nonhuman intelligences are now pretending to be enlightening aliens. Legends of cultures ranging from Babylonian to Hindu to Native American are laden with beings who possess superior technology, spiritual beings enjoying worship and reverence in exchange for distributing wisdom.

When these beings pretending now to be aliens manifest within our own culture, they will claim thatthe Bible is merely a primitive attempt to document their own interactions with humans. While these beings pretending to be aliens do appear in theBible, scripture makes a clear distinction between the one God -- Creator and Redeemer, namely Jesus Christ -- and those deceptive beings who would CLAIM to be creative gods. These beings are the fallen angels and their leader, the rebel cherub referred to as Baal, Satan, the serpent and the devil.

Rebel angels, and their degraded brothers the demons, have always been in contact with humans, shaping the cultures of mankind throughout history. Ceremonies and festivals honoring the "fallen angels pretending to be gods" have been preserved by being absorbed by institutionalized paganism, Catholicism, as well as simply being the trendy thing to do, as in our own self-deifying New Age and Neopagan culture. But the Bible clearly warns against these other gods, who are not really gods. 

Galatians 4:8 (NIV) 

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods . But now that you know God --or rather are known by God--how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them [ rebel angels pretending to be gods] all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Jeremiah 10:11 

Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

Jeremiah 10:15 

They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

Scripture talks of this"time of visitation". Sometime in the future God will judge these gods who are not gods, these beings who have not made the heavens and earth yet seek to be compared to God the Creator. 

Isaiah 26:21 

behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity

Isaiah 24:21 

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high [ the rebel angelic hosts] , and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together,as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days SHALL THEY BE VISITED.

There will be a time in the future when the angelic hierarchy, the high ones, the "gods who are not gods", who are also the same beings pretending to be aliens, will be stranded on the earth. 

Revelation 12:7 

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was castout, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Until the time when satan and his angels are imprisoned on the earth, as prisoners in a dungeon, they maintain access to "their place" in heaven. We are told that satan is not stuck in hell, nor imprisoned yet on earth, for he constantly accuses man before the throne of God: 

Rev.12:10 

...for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Satan is currently allowed audience before God where he makes his accusations -- the battle in heaven which results in satan and his angels being imprisoned on earth has notyet occured. The Book of Job makes it clear that satan and his angels still have "their place" in heaven, they are still allowed audience before God. Satan still travels freely through the earth, he is not yet imprisoned,and he presents himself before God.

Job1:6 

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

The Bible gives a specific time frame as to when the rebel angels will be stranded on Earth. Daniel's70th Week, the seven year countdown to Christ's return which has commonly been called the "Tribulation", is divided into two haves of 1260 days each.The casting down of satan, the dragon, occurs at a time in which 1260 days REMAIN. This would put the War in Heaven and satan's defeat at the mid-point of Daniel's 70th Week, at the midpoint of the seven year countdown to Christ's return. 

Rev.12:13 

And when the dragon saw that he was cast out onto the earth, he pursued the woman (Israel) who bore the male child (Jesus Christ) and those redeemed by him... and the woman was given two wings like a great eagle that she might fly to a place prepared for her where she is nourished for 1,260days (3 and 1/2 years).

Satan knows that at the midpoint of the tribulation he and his "armies of the high place" will be cast down to earth, with no longer a "place still found for them in heaven." Satan and the rebel angels will be gathered, "a gathering of prisonersin a dungeon", and the earth will be their prison. God's judgment, His wrath, will then be poured out on the earth. Judgment is God's reason for visiting the inhabitants of the earth [the rebel angels cast out of heavenand of course the minions of antichrist]. The point where the "dwellers on high" or "the high places" are thrown to earth does not take place atthe beginning of the seven years of the last week of history, but in themidst of that seven years. This middle point of the tribulation is when the battle in heaven between Michael and his angels, and Satan and his angels is decided. Satan is thrown to the earth and held there to be judged in Rev. 12:7. At this point John hears a loud voice of a multitude in heaven: 

Rev.12:10 

NOW has come the salvation, and the power and the kingdom of our God... for the accuser of our brethren has been cast down, he who accused them beforeour God day and night.... Because of this be glad, the heavens, and you tabernacling [temporarily dwelling in them, as those raptured at the midpoint of the tribulation will come back to earth with Christ at Armageddon] in them. Woe to the earth and to the sea because the devil has gone down toyou in great wrath, knowing that he has but a short time.

This passage describes the devil as enraged, having lost his battle with Michael and the good angels and permenently been thrown out of heaven to the earth. Why would there be a battle in the heavens at this point, 1260 days into the seemingly successful reign of antichrist? The battle is the last ditch effort ofsatan to prevent mortals, men made of dirt, from being resurrected to takethe place vacated by the glorious rebel angels themselves.

Notice that both Isaiah 26and Revelation 12 link the resurrection and the casting down of Satan simultaneously,just after 1260 days into antichrist's rule. This fact disallows the inaccurate belief that Satan and his angels have already been cast down to earth (a Mormon contention), and theories that the rapture takes place at the beginningof the seven years or some point significantly later than the midpoint of seven years.

Isaiah 26:19-21 explains that the tribulation judgment of the earth commences at the point immediately after the resurrection of the saints. 

Your dead ones shall live, my dead body; they shall rise up. Awake and sing, dust dwellers; for the dew of light is your dew; and the earth shall cast out the rapha (to be judged). Come My people, go in your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide for a little moment, until the fury passes. For, behold Jehovah comes out of His place to visit iniquity on the dweller of the earth.

God will be visiting the dwellers of the earth at a time JUST AFTER the resurrection of the faithful.

This description of the resurrection is detailed with an interesting point. The word rapha is a title given to the demonic spirits that were chained during the flood of Noah. This word has been misleadingly translated "departed spirits" in most Bibles. Rapha occurs nowhere in scripture except in reference to the descendantsof the nephilim from Genesis 6, those rebel angels who bred with the daughters of Adam. These rapha will be loosed from their bonds and judged. After the midpoint of the tribulation the "inhabitants of the earth" will be not only humans who followed the Antichrist, but also the rebel angelichost who have been cast to earth at the midpoint of the tribulation, andother rebel angels like the Rapha who were not destroyed during the floodof Noah, but were bound within the earth and sea awaiting the day of judgment.

The extrabiblical book ofEnoch refers to the chaining of the rebel "Sons of God" until the day of judgment: 

Enoch, thou scribe of justice, go, announce to the watchers of heaven, who have left the high heaven and the holy , eternal place, and have contaminatedthemselves with women [the rebel angels degraded themselves when they left their own God-given bodies to dwell in the offspring they created through genetic tampering] [...] from now on ye will not ascend into heaven to all eternity, and upon earth, it has been decreed, they shall bind youfor all the days of the world. ...bind them under the hills of the earth...till the day of their judgment and of their end, till the last judgment has been passed for all eternity.

Interestingly, the Koran echoes this theme as well, that Satan has not yet been judged, but will be judged at a time corresponding to the resurrection. 

"Adam& Eve" vii, L 

...We said unto the angels, Prostrate yourselves unto Adam, by way of salutation; whereupon they prostrated themselves, except Iblees, the father of the jinn, who was amid the angels... I am better than he: Thou hast createdme of fire, and Thou hast created him of earth. God said, Then descendthou from Paradise; or as some say, from the heavens; for it is not fitfor thee that thou behave thyself proudly therein: so go thou forth verily thou shalt be of the contemptible. He replied, Grant me respite until the day when mankind shall be raised from the dead. He said, Thou shalt beof those who are respited...

Satan and his "armies of the high place" will be cast down to earth at the midpoint of the tribulation,and those evil spirits who were held for the day of judgment on and in the earth will be cast out, to receive their judgment.

Isaiah 27: 1 

In that day YHWH will visit the sea-monster, the fleeing serpent, with His fierce and great and strong sword, even on ... the twisting serpent ....And He will slay the monster which is in the sea

"Come My people, go in your rooms and shut your doors behind you" (Isaiah 26) alludes to Noah'sescape from the flood. Jesus himself used the same analogy when he described the days before he would come again in Luke 21. It would be just as it was in the times of Noah, that is, Noah went into the ark, the door wasshut up after, and then the rains came.

Jesus Christ described the End Times: "The days before the coming of the son of man shall be exactly as in the days before Noah entered the ark".

Taken literally, this wouldseem to point to certain circumstances that will exist beforehand. In thedays of Noah, there was a very small group of people saying "prepare forthe coming disaster". The main characteristic of the days before Noah entered the ark is the interaction between rebel angels and humans, Genesis 6. If these are the End Times as Jesus described, then we should look for the rebel angels to once again publicly manifest upon the earth, in the form of superior beings giving technology. In the End Times, as in the "days of Noah", the rebel angelswill oversee a "breeding" campaign involving humans, resulting in supernatural offspring. Indeed, this is exactly what we are seeing in the "alien abduction scenario". The contact with the rebel angels, in the days of Noah, alsocontributed to rampant paganism, rebellion, violence and occultism. Itis not hard to find the parallels in today's culture -- it would seem our times are just as the days of Noah.

Please view the rest of our website for the truth about the End of the Age. The Nephilim of Genesis 6 are still being created by the fallen angels. UFOs,Aliens, proof of life on Mars, the Cydonia pyramid and sphinx ... this is the deception that will deceive even the Elect. 

Exploded Planets, Comets, Asteroids, Mars and... Rebel Angels

Hoagland Masonic Tetrahedral Conspiracy, Cooper UFO New World Order Conspiracy

Aliens, Angels & Antichrist: UFOs & End Time Prophecy

Satan is Prince of the Power of the Air, Lord of those that Fly, Interdimensional Intelligence behind UFO manifestations and alien encounters

"[The occultist] is brought into intelligent communication with the spirits of the air, and can receive any knowledge which they possess, or any false impression they choose to impart...the demons seem permitted to do various wonders at their request." - G.H.Pember, "Earth's Earliest Ages and Their Connection with Modern Spiritualismand Theosophy" (1876)

"UFO behaviour is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it... the modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical." -Dr. PierreGuerin, FSR Vol. 25, No. 1

"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age old demonological phenomenon..." - John A. Keel, "UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse"

Daniel 11 describes the Anti christ: 

"He shall not regard the God of his fathers, YHWH, nor the desire of women , 

nor love any god, for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his place he 

shall honor the god of fortresses, (the Hebrew phrase is, Ala Mahozine), 

and he shall honor a god whom his fathers (the Jews), 

did not know (literally, AN ALIEN GOD)."

Baalhazor," Lord of the fortresses" provides a connection between Baal and the god of theAntichrist. Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name. Some examples found in scripture are Baalbamoth= Lord of the high places, Baalzebub= Lord of those who fly,or, flit. Zebub is a Hebrew verb which means to flit from place to place. Baal is identified as Satan by Jesus himself, Matt.10:25 Mark. 3:22 Luke11:15.

The Antichrist will honor Satan, called Baal, Lord of Fortresses, 

Lord of the High Places , Lord of those who quickly fly (in the high 

places), Prince of the Power of the Air, and obviously Prince of the 

Power behind flying craft in the high places... ufos.

UFOs and BVMs

Ian and Dave were real characters and although Ian was studying French at uni, I don't believe he spoke a word of it. We went skiing in a small town in the Pyrenees called Cauterets and on day 2 Ian headed from la piste noire........even though he'd never skied before. Winter in Bordeaux was cold if you were a student teacher and I remember one day calling round to Dave and Ian's flat to find them in the centre of the room, under a table with blankets hanging over the edge, a small electric heater and whisky. We travelled inland to toast the local rugby team at a bar called Le boeuf sur le toit ( or the beef sur le tw*t as Ian called it )....many fun days.

When I first saw David Shaylor on the BBC a few years ago, having been pursued across France as the MI5 officer who blew the whistle on MI6, I did a second take. Surely not? Surely not fat Dave from Bordeaux? The hair was the same,voice the same but a bit deeper, a bit overweight, droopy eyes, French connection...........it had to be. Now I know, yes it's Dave from under the table.

Little do we know at the time, what future our pasts will become.........

And apparently, Dave now believes he is the Messiah.....................too many bottles of Bordeaux.

This morning I was being handed ProPlus by A as I tried to keep my eyes open to revise for an Ecology test - boring enough in itself - yet by the time I'd got past the hour mark of shopping I'd transformed into agitated madwoman. The people were staring at me, the vents were screaming and everyone was "getting in my fucking way (you fat cow!)"

Trying to meander your way through a shopping centre is hard enough when you're in a "normal" mood, but when you're swinging around like a monkey in a tree things just get that tiny bit harder. I felt like I was moving in slow motion so I began to pull and push my mum in and out of each shop, muttering about people standing gormlessly in the way, didn't they know people had things to do.

Towards the end, my feet were aching, my back was aching, my neck, my shoulders, my knees - I must be pushing the age of 67. Bodily complaints weren't the only age related moans. There were some tracksuited bodies "yeerr wot"-ing outside a cubicle I was in, so out walks Emma.."oops did my door hit you." Then a bellowing voice came from my mouth, "Hey mum, d'you reckon the chavs are on the rob again?" Bad mouth.

The trip wasn't wholly fruitless anyway, which is the point I should be getting at. I got a few bits and bobs. Need to head out again tomorrow though, back in to the fray, 'cept this time it'll be the familiar territory of Mancunia.

I'm feeling ranty tonight. Agitated, panicky, depressed, yet moving far too much for my poor head to handle. Shut up Em.

but I wasn't around yet in the 60's, so I hadn't heard this rumor until I stumbled across it on the God blessed internet.

Being a Beatles fan ( McCartney my fav. ) and also being that I tend to become facinated with conspiracy theories-I ended up pouring over countless sites and YouTube vids dedicated to the 'Paul is Dead' theory. For days and days I wrapped myself up in this horrific ( Yes, Horrific! ) bit of gossip.

I looked over all the Beatles' album clues, the lyric clues, the incriminating pre-'66 vs. post-'66 photos of Paul and I must admit that these sites can be Terrifyingly convincing. I thought I had Never heard anything more absurd than this 'Paul is dead' rumor....but a few websites and YouTube videos later I am almost in tears. I am starting to buy in! I am starting to think to myself, ' My God! It could be true!'

There are, no doubt, obvious *clues* on many albums- in the pictures and in the lyrics (turn me on dead man). 

It seems to me that some of these strange hints had to be intentionally placed on the albums. I'm not sure that they were placed there as clues to tell us that our Beloved Paul McCartney died. Could be The Beatles were just playing with the rumor...after all, they were very clever. Sure didn't hurt album sales, in fact, It most likely boost album sales. Great marketing scheme-Eh?

Well, as convincing as these 'Paul is Dead' websites are-There are also lots of 'Paul is Alive' and 'Paul's not Dead' websites that are equally convincing ( Thank The Good Lord!)

So, why is it that these conspiracy theories become so intriguing so absorbing?

Why are we So drawn to secrets, clues, mysteries? ~ Hmmm...That's another mystery.

Is Paul McCartney dead? Was he replaced by a look alike named Billy?

I don't know...furthermore, I don't think I want to know. Sometimes ignorance Is bliss!

Long live Paul McCartney...(or Billy or William...or...whoever he is)

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Last week they ran an article on how the Democratic Primary was rigged for Obama, and in fact had been rigged years ago, in their own words:

The nomination was rigged, long ago. The people responsible for ignoring the will of the voters and selecting Barack Obama as the nominee have been plotting and planning for years. This was no accident. The full scope of what happened may never be known, but in hindsight some of it is obvious.

I'm a bit confused as to how they can even make such a leap... the other posts on the blog are insane, true, but this one steps into grounds of convoluted illogical assumptions that are so deep they stagger me. Have they forgotten that it was Hilary Clinton that led the charge to have the delegates unseated? Do they realize what they are suggesting? Their claim that the election was rigged via the treatment of Michigan and Florida is a claim that Hillary rigged the election for Obama...

They actually believe that Hillary Clinton, in their mind the rightful presidential nominee for the Democratic party, rigged the Democratic Primary so that her opponent, Barack Obama, would win. In what sort of universe does a conspiracy theory like this even make sense!?! It's like claiming that Kennedy hired his own assassin! This sort of stuff reaches so far down the well of crazy that I am really excited to see what they come up with next. It's like watching a car wreck, I can't stop reading their blog. It's a whole new level of insanity, and while it creeps me out, like the patron of a good horror movie I keep coming back for more.

If the crazy half-baked conspiracy theory wasn't enough, the author has the absolute audacity to suggest that Hillary's campaign is akin to the Civil Rights Movement. I'm sorry, but at that point the dose of crazy goes from funny to pathetic. If you really think you can compare a race's struggle to not only have the right to vote, but the right to attend the same schools, live and work where they want, and not have to live in constant fear for their lives, you are just pathetically misinformed.

Edit:They're even running an article today about how Obama was "supposed to pay" for Hillary's debt. Um, when was this decided? I know Hillary asked him to, but why should he? She didn't have the decency to bow out when it was clear to everyone else she had lost. She needs to pay her own damn bills. Obama is not liable for her irresponsibly continued campaign.

Of course there was Project Bluebook ( 1952 - 1970 ) which determined the phenomenon wasn't a danger to national security, but that never satisfied the people who take the position the US government has a partnership with aliens and that the government will do anything to keep that secret.

Enter one of the most enduring myths(?) of Ufology; the MIB, or Men In Black. The MIBs job is to discredit UFO witnesses and do other "unsavory" operations for the US government. Or for the aliens themselves.

The MIB myth/legend/meme has been around as long as the Roswell Incident, or earlier possibly. The main feature of the MIB of course is they dress in black. If the purpose is to remain stealthy, well, I think they haven't been very good at that. But maybe that's part of the deal, to spread a meme of "warning".

Anyway, Paul Dale Roberts of The Alien Seeker News recently did an interview with a supposed Man In Black in which no new relevations were revealed, just some stuff the meme-stream of Ufology has had for years:

Paul: Good afternoon. May I use your real name in this interview?

Mr. Q: No.

Paul: Can I call you Mr. Q or a name of your choosing?

Mr. Q: (Chuckles). Yeah, Mr. Q sounds good.

Paul: Why did you select me for this interview?

Mr. Q:You are the most accessible paranormal investigator on the web. You have your cell number right out there for the world to see. When I call, you answer. Plus, you are not just a ghosthunter, but you investigate all things of a paranormal nature. I like the fact that when I call, I get a real person. How many times have you heard that?

Paul:Why are you disclosing your status as a former MIB? (Men in Black).

Mr. Q: I am tired of the lies of our government. It's time for disclosure. We are not alone.

Paul: Did you get fired or did you quit?

Mr. Q:Yes, you can say I got fired. I fell in love. The aliens that control American Intelligence MIBs have a way to manipulate our emotions. One of those emotions is love. Somehow I overcame this obstacle and actually fell in love. I was rejected from the MIB program.

Paul: Who did you fall in love with?

Mr. Q: Move onto the next question.

I guess Mr. MIB doesn't like personal questions about his love-life, but who does? Other than the folks who go on the Jerry Springer Show anyway.

But further on in the interview, Roberts notices that Mr. MIB is of South Pacific origin, which segues nicely into this little post from Greg Bishop of UFOMystic:

William B. Gill, an Anglican priest with a mission in Bosinai, Papas New Guinea, observed craft-like UFOs — one with Humanoid figures on top — on two consecutive evenings, June 26-27, 1959. About twenty-five natives, including teachers and medical technicians, also observed the phenomena. They “signaled” the humanoids and received an apparent response. This was one of sixty UFO sightings within a few weeks in the New Guinea area...

What many may not know is that this event took place about 1200 miles from the United States military installation in the Kwajalein atoll, located in the Marshall Islands, which has been a semi-secret missile and rocket test facility since, coincidentally enough, 1959. Now, 1200 miles may seem like a long way, but in the geography of the immense South Pacific, as well as the distances covered by high speed aircraft and of course rockets, it’s a stone’s throw. New Guinea is also the nearest land that isn’t a micro-island in that area of the South Pacific (with the possible exception of Guam) which suggests that the object and apparent “crew” may have picked it in case they ran into any serious trouble with their equipment.

If you lend any credence to stories of unconventional aircraft (of the anti- or electro-gravitic type) and rumors about captured technology just after WWII, Gill and his fellow witnesses may have seen some sort of test flight stopover. Why the crew bothered to hover right over a beach in New Guinea in front of scores of witnesses is a question that remains unanswered.

Gill’s own account stresses the almost mundane nature of the encounter. There were no high-G or other strange movements made by the object. It apparently hovered over the small church complex and then slowly disappeared into the clouds. (There were two sightings on subsequent evenings.) During the second event, Gill went inside before the craft had left. While some investigators have expressed surprise that anyone would leave in the middle of such an extraordinary sight, Gill and his companions had been looking at the UFO for over four hours just the night before. After returning hand gestures and moving the object in answer to a flashlight, the “crew” had apparently lost interest in the witnesses as well, and repeated attempts to make it land were unsuccessful.

The key link here is the base at Kwajalein Atoll, which the MIB mentions in the Roberts interview and why he is of South Pacific origin.

The post in UFOMystic leaves the impression that the UFO is of human origin, which is very plausible. But the MIB interview keeps the ETI angle in play. Convenient, eh?

Just enough to keep things nice and muddy.

The meme must go on!

Interview with Mr. Q. Former MIB (Men In Black)

Was The “Father Gill” Sighting A Classified Aircraft?

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